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Старый 14.06.2010, 19:46   #11
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Нет, Арту из Италии, но сейчас он находится в Сърбия. Кагда стал первы раз чемпион мира охота - он еще был Италии, а потом покупали в Сърбия и его жызнь только охота - выствки -охота. Ета очен счасливая собака. Для меня как написал очен важна - найти красивя собока, охотник отличны. Меня точе очен нравится и Ирвин /2XRCAC 6XCAC 2XRCACIB CACIB BOB 4XECC CACT RCACIT/ ето тоже очен хорашая собака.
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оба хороши. трудный выбор. поскольку меги-зина чемпионка красоты, то ару кажется лучше.
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Ета точна - очен трудный выбор. Меги-Зина тоже победитель ТАН. У нее есть болшой потенциал изпитания охота, но конечна она толка 1 год и 8 месецов и увидим.
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Да Меги -Зина --счастливая невеста - такие ребята красавцы! У Арту не очень удачные фото... А Ирвин ну просто супер! Вы большая молодец Zin , все бы так занимались собаками ( я и себя имею ввиду)! А что такое ТАН?
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Старый 14.06.2010, 19:47   #15
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Вто ета ТАН
The T.A.N., more often spoken of as the "TAN", is a Test for Natural Ability (Test d'Aptitudes Naturelles, in French).

It exists since some 15 years and is now widely spread in France among all the breeds, as it exists in many forms, adapted to the kind of breed. So, the TAN for a pointing dog is not the same as the one for a Retriever, or a Pug, or a German shepherd, etc… More: The TAN can be (slightly) different from one breed to another of the same kind, as the official regulation allows some flexibility to the clubs to determine at what level they want to place this test.

The official booklet issued by the french kennel club ( S.C.C. = Société Centrale Canine) says:

* Article 1: The following rules has been developed to promote, inside the french breeding, the dogs owning the hunting qualities that every pointing dog should show, as a minimum. (The underscoring is mine. P.W.).
* Article 2: The proofs considered tend to test the aptitude to hunt, but not the level of training.

These two articles are a clear definition of what a TAN is…and what it is not:

* A basic test for MINIMUM qualities,
* Not a competition.

It is a common, but MAJOR error for some people to judge a TAN as a "Low level field-trial"! The people invited to judge at a TAN should always keep in mind that errors are to be accepted, and that those that can be cured or improved by some training do not forbid the allowance of the TAN.

On the reverse, the lack of the basic qualities should be strictly penalized.

The TANs are organized by breed clubs. They concern dogs of a maximal of 36 months of age (Many organizer specify a minimum of 6 months, which is not mentioned in "the law"! Yet if it would probably be ridiculous to enter a 12 weeks old puppy, considering the precocity of the Epagneul Breton, many puppies under 6 months pass their TAN, sometimes brilliantly! P.W.)

To organize a TAN, it is necessary to have the disposal a ground with sufficient cover to make sure that the game can hide, yet move freely, and so that it will be found by scent, and not by sight. Harsh cover will be avoided.

The game will be chosen among cheap varieties, such as the quail, but other upland birds such As pheasant or partridge may be used. It will be released at least 15 minutes before the test starts, and out of the sight of the dog's handler.

The test goes on from 5 to 10 minutes, and the dog should be given as many rounds as necessary to come in contact with game.

What is to be checked?

Three characteristic behaviors are to be considered:

1) The searching instinct:
The examiner (Who it is not compulsory a judge, but can be an "expert") will consider the activity and the passion showed by the dog, without paying too much attention on the way the dog explores its ground. (A dog showing a restrained quest, staying very close to its handler, is to be penalized, yet, as this happens quite often with dogs who have never had an opportunity to meet game before the test, this should improve after a first "contact". P.W.)

2) The pointing instinct:
It is compulsory that the dog shows its ability to find some game. A point, out of sight of the bird is obligatory. Bumping into a bird will not be penalized, and flushing is not to be considered in the final judgment. (The rule does not say how long the point should be held. Some examiners consider that it should be so long that it allows the handler to come along its dog, but this can then be very different from one dog to another, and so penalize the dog who shows the most passion by questing widely; But the majority considers that a few seconds steadiness -3 to 10 seconds- is satisfying, as some training will improve this greatly. P.W.)

3) The balance of the character:
The examiner will check that the dog does not show signs of an unbalanced character (The rule does not definite these signs, yet aggressiveness, fear of unknown people, lack of contact between handler and dog, could be considered, in my opinion. P.W.) . More specifically it is compulsory that the dog shows no gun shyness at all, which is tested by the shot of blanks by a gun or an alarm pistol/revolver or heavy caliber (This means at least a .32… yet, the most used are .22 blank pistols! Mostly the gun is shot by the examiner who is often far away from the dog. The gun should be fired close to the dog, as it happens when hunting. P.W.)

The steadiness to shot will not be considered, but any sign of fear will be considered as a failure at this test. The TAN will be awarded to any dog who succeeds the entirety of these three tests. Once a dog has been awarded the TAN, it will not be authorized to participate to another identical test.

A dog failing one or more of the three items tested will just be adjourned, and so it is allowed to enter another TAN, as long as it has not reached the 36 months age limit.

A TAN is a test, NOT A COMPETITION, so there should not be any placement, just a "Pass" or "Fail"!
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My personal comments:
If it is obvious that dogs have some experience of encountering game (often country dogs vs city dogs) are in a better position than others: It is the responsibility of the examiner to give all the possible chance to every dog to show its ability. In the practice, many dogs are so brilliant that they do not even need the 5 minutes that are in theory the minimum to satisfy to the test. On the opposite, some dogs may need more than one try to succeed. It is my opinion that the jury should become more and more severe as the dog comes closer to the age limit. As there is no way to know how many times a dog made attempts, it is unfortunately not possible to limit this number.

* I believe that the dogs should be presented individually at the test by preference in the order of growing age, so avoiding to influence the examiners opinion by too closely checking of dogs of different age…and experience.
* It is the responsibility of the examiner to try and determine what is natural and what is due to training. In my opinion, handling by professional handlers should be avoided.
* The TAN is conceived to check the MINIMAL requirements expected for a hunting/pointing breed.

Consequently, there is no reason for pride by satisfying the test. This is just NORMAL!

Consequently also, a dog not TAN-awarded should be considered with suspicion before thinking of breeding it!
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У нас, как у World club - епаньол бретон - если собока нет ТАН он/она не может есть "свадьба"
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эээ, теперь надо всё это перевести, и тогда станет понятно!
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тата,

на самом деле по русски это звучит просто и коротко - настоящий ли бретон у вас собака?
есть ли у нее врожденные качества легавой собаки?

а еще короче - тест на "бретононазываемость"
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Конечна ета тест - врождениные качества епаньол бретона. Впервые наш бретон нада искат охотится - его стил, апорт,если у него есть страх выстрела и т.д- ета как полевые испытания, толка сдесь нет точки.
Если бретон не выдержит етат тест - он не может выходит - далше.Он не может имеет щенки и т.д.
ТАН - очен серьезные испытания и очен много бретона - не выдержали ета. А все бретоны которы выдержали ТАН до 1 год получает отметка в педигрии, как моя девачка, выдержала ТАН на 11 месецов.
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Вот моя девачка
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Привет из Софии. Вот моя Зинка
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